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« Reply #125 on: March 30, 2011, 08:53:21 PM »

Comments sent to USFWS a couple of hours ago. Hopefully these comments along with other folks' comments designed to act as a silver bullet to kill this Headwaters dracula in a cloak bad idea NOW rather than later will be successful.

My compliments to all who tried their best to kill the Headwaters rather than play with this thing.

The comment period is open until midnight tomorrow for those still wanting to provide the Feds their thoughts on the bad idea at evergladesheadwatersproposal@fws.gov

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NWR Comments regarding Everglades Headwaters Refuge and Conservation Area
To: United States Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS)

From: Frank                                                                                                                                             Hialeah, Florida   33013

Date:  March 30, 2011

Re:  Comments regarding USFWS scoping process and the Refuge concept specifically.

Scoping Process
Scoping meetings were held prior to distribution of any meaningful accurate detailed information that would have assisted attendees that weren’t already collaborating partners with USFWS.  USFWS partners such as The Nature Conservancy (TNC), Audubon of Fla., Defenders of Wildlife, Fl Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission to name a few were well prepared to provide coordinated comments to assist in generating the administrative record USFWS was looking to have established at their scoping meetings. TNC’s comments of March 2011 to USFWS verify they have been involved for over 2 years to develop the suite of properties they recommended to be targeted for inclusion.  On the other hand the general public who the meeting schedule was sprung on with short notice had no comprehensive detailed information to base comments upon except the USFWS’s Headwaters deceptive propaganda available at USFWS’s project web site. This intentional USFWS tactic deprived a large segment of scoping meeting attendees the ability to actually provide comments during their allotted speaking times. Instead they were forced to ask questions due to lack of available information rather than providing substantive comments regarding the Headwaters planning process. USFWS did not even attempt to provide accurate consistent mapping of their Headwaters proposal proven by major changes during the meeting schedule.

The National Environmental Policy Act was seriously violated by these USFWS actions which discriminated against many locally concerned citizens who took the time to attend scoping meetings.

The bottom line result is that all of the meetings should be held over again after real information upon which to comment upon has been provided to the general public.

Everglades Headwaters Refuge

USFWS and their Partners tout that this Headwaters Refuge and Conservation Area are necessary  in order to assist restoration of the water quality of the Everglades and assure the cattle ranching heritage survives and can be passed on to future generations. These two goals cannot be met simultaneously due to the fact that if the cattle remain in the Northern Everglades Headwaters region as they have been historically one of the main water quality problems caused by cattle waste will not be removed  by spending the $700,000,000 dollars estimated to fund the 1st of 4 phases of land acquisition supposedly required. There will be many more millions required in addition to clean up the mess already caused by the cattle heritage proposed to be saved. This isn’t the fault of the cattle but the USFWS’s for not understanding the situation.   Another problem to passing on the ranching heritage not solved by Headwaters is the inheritance taxes faced by ranchers. That is claimed by ranchers Nationwide as the main problem in securing ranching into the future and is not addressed by Headwaters land acquisition.

Endangered species are another reason for creating a refuge in order to provide corridors for movement and more range for species such as the Florida Panther. USFWS is a hypocrite to claim there even is a Florida Panther today since Florida reclassified many years ago that they are only protecting the Panther population in Florida after not being able to successfully prosecute a person who intentionally killed one due to the State’s inability to prove the sub-species (felis concolor coryi) existed. So as to further support this claim I will include an lengthy excerpt from the book titled “Swamp Screamer” authored by Charles Fergus describing how panther researchers discovered the Panther being studied in the 90’s in Florida had already been hybridized at that point in time and since then hasn’t legally qualified for ESA funding.

  Beginning at paragraph 2 on page 118:
Roelke went to O’briens laboratory in Maryland and learned his arcane practices. She applied them to blood samples she had been hoarding from Florida panthers. She compared the genetic material to that of 8 other North American puma subspecies and 3 South American subspecies. (These were all the races from  which biologists and veterinarians had secured tissue or blood samples.) The indicator on which she focused was a distinctive form of an enzyme called “adenosine phosphoribosyl transferase”, or APRT. Roelke and O’brien concluded that 7 panthers in Everglades National Park had descended, at least in part, from Central or South America. Also the South American genes had crossed the Shark River Slough (one wandering cat could have done it) and infiltrated the main cluster of panthers in Big Cypress ecosystem.

Roelke studied the archives of Everglades National Park and learned that a small private menagerie, Everglades Wonder Gardens of Bonita Springs, Florida, had turned loose at least 7 captive pumas between 1957 and 1965. Apparently park administrators had wanted to boost the panther’s population even back then, and no doubt they were under the impression that the imports were pure Florida panthers. Thirty years later, Everglades Wonder Gardens was still in business. Roelke went and checked on their cats. She zeroed in on an ancient female named Fatima. With the permission of Lester Piper, the menagerie’s owner, Roelke trimmed Fatima’s toenails. Also, she snuck a syringe of her blood: South American APRT.

On to  page 119
“ No one wants to admit it.” Roelke said “but apparently a tame female from the East coast was brought into the menagerie in the fifties.” Maybe she came from Central America. Or from French Guiana, where the native puma had such a reddish cast to its coat that it is called tigre rouge. In any event, a cross-bred panther had made it into the wild. Five, six, seven generations later, the chromosomal contributions of at least one foreign cat could still be detected.

Which meant that Florida’s panthers were cross-bred. They were still overwhelmingly Felis Concolor coryi, but they were not purely so. In several scientific papers, Roelke and O’brien referred to the cross-bred cats as “heretical”, which was a polite of calling them hybrids. It seemed that the outside genes had given a boost to the panthers’ overall health. It was as if, say, several Haitian immigrants had been somehow accepted into an isolated Amish community in which, due to inbreeding, half the children were being born as dwarfs. After a few generations there would be darker- skinned Amish plowing the fields, fewer of whom would be three feet tall.
Yet if the panther was helped biologically by this influx of genes, it had been compromised politically. The Endangered Species Act bestows protection on the Florida Panther. It provides funding to aid in its restoration. It disallows the wholesale plundering of its habitat. It scares the hell out of corporations poised to turn thousand acre tracts of panther-friendly pine forest into orderly, profitable rows of orange and grapefruit trees.
The Endangered Species does not apply to hybrids.
End of page 119 of
Swamp Screamer” author Charles Fergus  ph 1 814 692 5097
By the way I installed the bold type in this excerpt.

Nothing has changed to make the claim of protecting a “Florida Panther” any more valid today than back in the 90’s except the refusal of the USFWS to admit they are continuing the fraud to maintain their ability to wield power through the misappropriated funds they distribute to support  the Florida Panther Preservation  industry dependent upon said funds. 

Pasted below is a comment made to a March 14, 2011 article about Florida Panthers from the National Park Traveler web site. More proof if one cares to look reality in the eye. Here is a direct link to the full article and all comments   http://www.nationalparkstraveler.com/2011/03/florida-panther-next-extinction7746

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Submitted by MRC (not verified) on March 16, 2011 - 7:37am.
The news about the "eastern cougar" and the biological data is a big mess. I read the FWS press release as a confirmation that the eastern cougar did never exist at all, not now, not before. The headline thus seems to be missleading. The five year review of scientific data and reports of sightings concluded that there is no eastern subspiecies of the cougar. Given their limited terminology determined by legislation, the FWS has to call this result "extinction".
Biological studies seem to show that there are no subspiecies at all in North America, meaning not even the Florida Panther would be a subspecies but merely a population with a insular habitat: http://jhered.oxfordjournals.org/content/91/3/186.abstract
This does not deminish the need for protection for the Florida population, but it confirmes that exact terminology is important.
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USFWS and all of their so called partners are nothing more than a gang of co-conspirators engaged in a criminal enterprise  by not shutting down this junk science based program.

My apologies for being blunt but the eternal tyranny caused by this sham requires plain English.

Hunting and access to hunting lands are of great concern to me and many others. Hunting in Central and South Florida includes unique vehicular systems (e.g. airboats, swamp buggies, ATV’s, mud boats, etc. etc.) to access remote hunting areas in difficult terrain. Without the acceptance by USFWS of these unique vehicular access systems that come in many forms being declared compatible within the proposed refuge any public access or hunting plan developed by USFWS or Fl Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission is a farce and will not be supported in any way by the well informed public.

As far as any USFWS rumor that a State agency being given full control over the refuge and hunting goes – it cannot be believed due to USFWS document s that specify otherwise.

Hopefully Florida hunters will not fall prey to this State and Federally coordinated deception only to find out later that they have been lied to as usual concerning the devils in the details that will come out when it is too late to stop this terrible idea and concept.

My personal belief is that we have sufficient hunting lands in Florida without any Federal help to get more. If we need more hunt land at some point the State is quite able to acquire it when economically feasible. In view of current economic conditions it is not proper for Federal or State agencies to be suggesting any land acquisitions for any reasons such as the ones mentioned to justify the Headwaters bad idea.

USFWS  expressed intent to recommend Wilderness in areas of this proposal is more proof of restrictions that will only allow foot access to any Refuge which is totally unacceptable in this region of Florida due to weather and terrain conditions.  The Wilderness issue alone should justify scrapping the whole Headwaters project especially due to the crafty language USFWS used in their propaganda to camouflage their intent to recommend it in the future if this bad idea proceeds forward.

A few closing comments to the Refuge idea being proposed will follow and be put forth in as positive as manner as possible to suggest that USFWS choose the No Action Alternative now instead of later and facilitate a decision to forego development of a Land Protection Plan:


11 - POSITIVE RESULTS

OF CHOOSING

United States Fish and Wildlife Service’s

NO ACTION ALTERNATIVE

For

Everglades Headwaters Refuge and Conservation Area Proposal

Now Rather Than Later

1 Taxpayers will save the $700,000,000 (3/4 Billion dollar) down payment for this 1st phase of 4 phases of the unnecessary and unjustified USFWS vision called Everglades Headwaters Refuge and Conservation Area (EHRCA).

2 The U.S. Congress and voters will not be disenfranchised by USFWS’s decision to choose this particular process to avoid legislative debate as per USFWS’s Mr. Charlie Pelizza at the Everglades Coordinating Council meeting in Ft. Lauderdale Florida on February 3, 2011.

3 State sovereignty over hundreds of thousands of acres of Florida’s landscape will be maintained rather than relinquished to the Feds in order to facilitate USFWS’s and their Partners vision.

4 Private property owners will no longer be threatened by known future Federal actions that will devalue and make their properties less useful for the purposes they acquired them for.

5 Counties within this project will maintain their full tax base.

6 Job creation will be greatly enhanced by USFWS and their Partners losing the ability to use EHRCA as a tool to block and escalate costs of necessary highway construction or enhancements and green energy production (wind, solar etc.)

7 Florida’s elected officials Oaths of Office will be upheld.

8 USFWS’s will lose the ability to fulfill their promise of Wilderness review and recommendation included in convoluted language at pg 21, section XIV of their project proposal document.

9 Continuation of Customary and traditional uses of and means of accessing remote areas of the region by visitors and residents will be assured.

10 Maintaining local rural cultures will be assured by current economic conditions and cessation of speculative land purchases leading to over development.

11 Prevention/reduction in the ability of environmental organizations to litigate over Federal land management issues will be facilitated by currently private lands remaining in full private ownership. Federal ownership and jurisdiction opens the door widely for these opportunistic/predatory law suits.

Thanks for the opportunity to comment even though USFWS has chosen to fast track this proposal beyond the capacity of State agency’s ability to keep up (as per Fl Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission comments) much less the public.

Frank
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« Reply #126 on: March 31, 2011, 10:01:28 PM »

Gladesman, I email some more tonight lets hope for the best.


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« Reply #127 on: March 31, 2011, 10:30:23 PM »

Yes, a head shot and a quick end to the Headwaters. Hooray
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« Reply #128 on: April 13, 2011, 01:59:04 AM »

 Major hunting & conservation umbrella group has recently voted to oppose Headwaters 100% including any so-called WMA managed by FWC since they (FWC) will never be fully in charge.



At least one meeting with another Congressman will happen the week of Apr 18, 2011



Anyone who missed commenting to the scoping process may have a chance to tell USFWS what they think around May or June if this bad idea isn't dead by then.



All previously suggested comments will still be valid to be used for USFWS's Land Protection Plan should it be produced
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« Reply #129 on: April 13, 2011, 02:27:49 PM »

keep the info coming.
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« Reply #130 on: April 13, 2011, 04:39:53 PM »

United States Department of the Interior
FISH AND WILDLIFE SERVICE
1875 Century Boulevard
Atlanta. Georgia 30345
In Refer Reply To: MAR 2 5 2011
FWS/F4/R4/Axea II
Mr. Pete Edwards
President
River Ranch Property Owners Association
18550 Circle 630 East
Lake Wales, Florida 33898
Dear Mr. Edwards:
The Fish and Wildlife Service (Service) would like to thank you and the members of the River
Ranch Property Owners Association (POA) for your interest in the proposed Everglades
Headwaters National Wildlife Refuge and Conservation Area. As you are aware, we held
several public meetings and another face to face meeting with your organization to listen to the
comments, concerns, and interest that the public and the River Ranch POA had with the
proposal. Public comments and concerns that have been received on the proposal are being
addressed during the next steps of the planning process.
Upon further evaluation, we have determined that the River Ranch properties will no longer be
included in the boundary of the proposed project area. This is based on our commitment to only
work with willing sellers and from the input we have received to date, it is apparent that the
majority of landowners within the River Ranch area would not be willing sellers. The Service
also recognizes the importance of the River Ranch area as an area of high conservation value,
and the important role that the POA has in managing and maintaining the area.
We look forward to continued discussions and the opportunity to build a working conservation
relationship with the POA. We do see the opportunity to work collaboratively on conservation
projects through landowner assistance programs such as the Service's Partners for Fish and
Wildlife program which offers assistance to landowners on conservation planning and habitat
management activities.
Sincerely yours,
Cynthia K. Dohner
Regional Director
TAKE PRIDE TBESLJ
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« Reply #131 on: April 13, 2011, 06:02:49 PM »

cool beans!!  I bet they are happy!!!
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« Reply #132 on: April 13, 2011, 06:08:31 PM »

Gladesman, Renmus et al deserve much credit for their involvement with action vs. lip service or excuses!
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« Reply #133 on: April 13, 2011, 07:29:26 PM »

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« Reply #134 on: April 14, 2011, 09:46:03 AM »

Gladesman, Renmus et al deserve much credit for their involvement with action vs. lip service or excuses!

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« Reply #135 on: April 14, 2011, 02:27:02 PM »

LOTS of people were involved with this.  I thank everyone who took a stand and reacted to this issue.  Many times you read it, shrug and figure it is not your yard that is being taken.  I think we need to start educating some riders about life in the woods so that all of us can continue enjoying the time we spend there.  It is not always about being drunk and going fast.  Time and place for everything. 
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« Reply #136 on: April 18, 2011, 01:07:26 AM »

We all many times suspect conspiracies against our activities. People look at us like we are a little or maybe alot crazy.

I'll tell you one thing for pretty sure after reading the article pasted below from ECO-Voice.

We aren't being screwed by a conspiracy regarding the Headwaters, The Wildlands Project. FWC's Comprehensive Wildlife Conservation Program (CWCS) and FWC's Florida Wildlife Legacy Initiative (FWLI) but what the government calls coordination is the tool being used.

Read the article below and go to the meeting even if u have to skip work to see how what is being done to us is accomplished.

Don't forget to RSVP at the number below quick if u are going.

My apologies for short notice - just spotted this tonight. Hope some of y'all can go to tell them what u think of their possibleaccess robbing plans, since I cannot

Gladesman

SAVE THE DATE April 20, 2011 10am -3pm at the Southwest Florida Regional Planning Council, in Ft. Myers for a Southwest Florida Blueprint Working Group meeting
I would like to invite you to attend a meeting of the Southwest Florida Blueprint Working Group. The working group is part of the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission's (FWC's) Cooperative Conservation Blueprint project.
Meeting Purpose:
The Southwest Blueprint Working Group is engaging stakeholders in nine counties to begin to identify and prioritize an interconnected system of wildlife corridors. The starting point for our work is the moderate connectivity scenario from The Babcock Ranch Regional Connectivity Study and theSteering Committee's final recommendations. The Babcock Study identifies a potential system of connected habitat corridors that extends northward to Tampa Bay, east to the Kissimmee River Valley and south to the Big Cypress. A rapid assessment of threats to these wildlife corridor opportunity areas will help us to begin to prioritize. We would like ultimately to gain consensus around priority corridors in the regional and develop a regional implementation plan to make conservation of these corridors a reality.
Background:
The FWC launched the Blueprint process in 2007 to develop and build agreement on a compelling incentive-based and long-range conservation vision for Florida - a core element of implementing the FWC's Florida Wildlife Legacy Initiative. The goal is to couple non-regulatory market-based incentiveswith the conservation of a connected system of working agricultural and natural lands that form the Florida landscape and that conserve fish and wildlife. The approach supports maintaining the land in private ownership and producing an economic return while sustaining the best of natural Florida for future generations.

The FWC initiated the Regional Pilot Project in early 2011 to field test the Blueprint approach at the regional scale. The blueprint pilot covers a 13-county section of South Central and Southwest Florida - an area that includes all or part of Polk, Osceola, Orange, Okeechobee, Hardee, Desoto, Highlands, Glades, Hendry, Collier, Lee and the eastern halves of Charlotte and Sarasota counties.

Please RSVP and let me know if you are able to attend this meeting, from 10:00am to 3:00pm April 20th. (I expect that lunch will be provided.)

Julie Morris, Wildlands Conservation, or myself are available if you have any questions. You may contact Julie at jmorris@wildlandsconservation.org or 941-2347201. My contact information is below.
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« Reply #137 on: April 18, 2011, 04:21:51 PM »

I notice that the meeting's being held in Lee County and Lee County is included in those targeted "habitat corridors", folks. Need I remind you SW Fl folks where you like to ride?
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« Reply #138 on: April 18, 2011, 06:37:50 PM »

anybody going??
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« Reply #139 on: April 18, 2011, 07:10:17 PM »

SMP63 - if you go and let'em know what u think of wildlife corridors that smell like Headwaters ; that is what counts.
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« Reply #140 on: April 18, 2011, 08:24:54 PM »

rsvped today, just wanted to know if anybody wanted to carpool!
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« Reply #141 on: April 18, 2011, 08:58:16 PM »

I can't go but mayber u could write a report of the meeting tomorrow so everyone knows what went on and who said what.?

That would be great.
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« Reply #142 on: April 18, 2011, 09:32:46 PM »

No problem gladesman. I sorta did the same thing about the ohv park south of mulberry. I just got into the wonderfull world of atving back in January. I don't like the fact of them trying to shut us out of places to ride.
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« Reply #143 on: April 18, 2011, 10:08:18 PM »

SMP63 also cant make this one thanks for going lets us know (P.S.) watch them close there full of tricks.


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« Reply #144 on: April 22, 2011, 02:13:22 PM »

Here is the USFWS notice of a Land Protection Plan (LPP) and Environmental Assesment (EA) due out in June.

It is very very important for everyone to request these 2 documents (LPP&EA) in PAPER - Please do that by emailing your request to EvergladesHeadwatersProposal@fws.gov.

This Sample request that can be pasted in the email with your address - Please send paper copies of the draft LPP and EA for Headwaters to the address included in this email.

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USFWS Notice
Would You Like a Copy of the Draft LPP and EA for the Proposed Everglades Headwaters National Wildlife Refuge and Conservation Area?

The US Fish and Wildlife Service is pleased to announce the upcoming release for public review and comment of the draft Land Protection Plan (LPP) and Environmental Assessment (EA) for the proposed refuge and conservation area (anticipated for mid June 2011). To help save money, a digital copy of the draft LPP and EA will be available for download on the Internet at: http://www.fws.gov/southeast/greatereverglades/. If you would like a paper or CD copy, please select one of the listed options below

Please send me a paper copy of the Draft LPP & EA for the proposal,
Please send me a CD copy of the Draft LPP & EA for the proposal, and/or
Please remove me from your mailing list

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Email your option to us at EvergladesHeadwatersProposal@fws.gov or
Phone your option to us at 321.861.0667 or
Mail your selected option on this sheet to Everglades Headwaters Proposal, US Fish and Wildlife Service, PO Box 2683, Titusville, FL 32781-2683.

Please include your option (paper and/or CD copy), your name, and your mailing address in your correspondence so we can be assured to send you the proper selection.

For more information or if you have any questions, please contact us at EvergladesHeadwatersProposal@fws.gov or phone us at 321.861.2368.

Cheri M. Ehrhardt, AICP
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« Reply #146 on: May 06, 2011, 08:52:14 AM »

USFWS showed their true colors in the Dunn unit of their Refuge in Vermont.

Could the word bigot apply here?

What ORV access can we look forward to in Headwaters even under so called State (Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission) control as a Wildlife Management Area (WMA)?

This Federal National Wildlife Refuge unit in Vermont is an example of a State managed WMA that HAS to follow Federal rules, laws etc.
The Excerpts below are from the US Fish and Wildlife Service's Environmental Assessment Appendix C - pg 61 of final EA for Eagle Point Unit of Missisequoi Nat Wildlife Refuge - here's a link http://www.fws.gov/northeast/planning/e ... A_Maps.pdf

My research indicates that qualifying special circumstances may only be applicable State & Federal agency management activities in coordination areas [WMA's] with MOU's). Special circumstances do not require compatibility determinations by USFWS.

from pg 61

It is the policy of the Service not to allow ATV/ORV use on National Wildlife Refuge
lands, except in special circumstances, none of which apply here. We do not intend to

permit the use of ATV's from the unimproved parking lot near Hall's Creek, or on any other

portion of the propert
y. We understand that Mr. Dunn allowed limited access across his

property to the lake by ATV's, but this is not a condition of acceptance. Similarly, the new

Agency of Natural Resources policy allowing connector trails to cross State lands on a trial

basis will not apply to this property, if it is accepted as part of the National Wildlife Refuge

System. We are not proposing to prohibit ATV use on Lake Memphremagog; we are

proposing to prohibit ATV use on the Dunn property
. ATV users will still be able to use

their equipment on the lake; however they will have to use other access points to do so.

We understand in talking with many people that such access is available

Since Federal ownership is required by the Dunn Trust, the Service has agreed to accept the

property and enter into a cooperative agreement for management by the State. The only

way to do this is to accept the property into the National Wildlife Refuge System. While

the property can be managed by the State in a manner similar to a WMA, it will be

necessary for management of the property to comply with all laws and policies required of

refuge system lands
. Hiking, camping, and other public uses such as hunting and fishing

will be accommodated where they are compatible with the primary purpose for the refuge

system, which is wildlife conservation. We have discussed this matter with the trustee of

the Dunn Trust, who has spoken with those individuals closest to Mr. Dunn during his life.

These individuals and the trustee agree that the proposed plan coincides with Mr. Dunn's

philosophy and intentions.

From pg 62

Two organizations, the Vermont All Terrain Sportsman’s Association Inc. and the Vermont

Traditions Coalition, voiced major concerns regarding ATV, snowmobile, and fishing

access, and withheld support unless certain conditions are met. Concern was voiced about

ATV prohibition and the possible future need for a trail connector through the property.

Both groups pointed out the importance of snowmobile and ATV access to the lake for ice

fishing, noting that it is an important traditional activity important to local economy. VTC

also listed additional conditions to be satisfied to obtain their support, including the

following: no easements should be granted to private organizations; fishing access is

needed; a long term contract is necessary between agencies; the towns must support; and

agricultural use must continue.

It is the policy of the Service not to allow ATV/ORV use on National Wildlife Refuge

lands,
except in special circumstances, none of which apply here. We do not intend to

permit the use of ATV's from the unimproved parking lot near Hall's Creek, or on any other

portion of the property.
We understand that Mr. Dunn allowed limited access across his

property to the lake by ATV's, but this is not a condition of acceptance. Similarly, the new

Agency of Natural Resources policy allowing connector trails to cross State lands on a trial

basis will not apply to this property, if it is accepted as part of the National Wildlife Refuge

System. We are not proposing to prohibit ATV use on Lake Memphremagog; we are

proposing to prohibit ATV use on the Dunn property
. ATV users will still be able to use

their equipment on the lake; however they will have to use other access points to do so.

We understand in talking with many people that such access is available

End of Excerpt

As you can see the name of the game here is denial of vehicular access to the general public - even the use of existing traditional access sites (unimproved parking lots) but the agencies can go where they want on ORV's.

Let's see how up front and transparent (abundantly clear) State and Federal entities are when the WMA bone and ORV access to it are discussed in the near future.

Anyone with a brain somewhere other than between the seat they are sitting in and themselves (including elected officials) knows that a bankrupt Nation shouldn't even be spending money on discussing a stunt called Headwaters much less actually doing it.

Gladesman

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« Reply #147 on: June 24, 2011, 02:32:59 AM »

Here is the notice of the USFWS Land Protection Plan being unveiled.

I hate to say it but it is time to start thinking about writing comments against this Federal bad idea again.

I will read it as quickly as possible and get suggested comments up for folks to review and possibly use.

Hopefully considering how fast they produced it it won't be too many pages.

If you haven't demanded your copy of the plan on paper and CD please do it as soon as possible. They need to see our high interest level and this is a way to document it for future use.

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U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service
Proposed Everglades Headwaters National Wildlife Refuge and Conservation Area

Public Review and Comment Period to Begin in August 2011

The US Fish and Wildlife Service is pleased to announce the upcoming release for public review and comment of the draft Land Protection Plan (LPP) and Environmental Assessment (EA) for the proposed Everglades Headwaters National Wildlife Refuge and Conservation Area (now anticipated for August 2011).

To help save money, a digital copy of the draft LPP and EA will be available for download on the Internet at: http://www.fws.gov/southeast/greatereverglades/. Copies will also be mailed out to those who request them (please call 321.861.0667 or email EvergladesHeadwatersProposal@fws.gov to request a copy if you have not already done so and wish to receive a copy in the mail). And, copies will be available at the public meetings, which will be scheduled during the public review and comment period.


For more information or if you have any questions, please contact us at EvergladesHeadwatersProposal@fws.gov or phone us at 321.861.2368. Additional information can be found at the project’s website: http://www.fws.gov/southeast/greatereverglades/.
Cheri M Ehrhardt, AICP
Natural Resource Planner

US Fish & Wildlife Service
PO Box 2683
Titusville, FL 32781-2683

Cheri_Ehrhardt@fws.gov
321.861.2368 office
321.861.8913 fax


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« Reply #148 on: June 24, 2011, 01:11:55 PM »

FYI - So folks now what is happening in Washington D.C.

It would be very wise for all to watch the web cast of this entire meeting at this link  http://naturalresources.house.gov/Calendar/EventSingle.aspx?EventID=246553  to understand what may be driving decisions we hate.

Think $$$ and listen close to a guy named Garamendi from California.

Mr Amador from Blue Ribbon Coalition explains really dispicable tactics used by one group of land managers to screw folks out of a popular area.

ARRA Partners Promote OHV Recreation to House Subcommittee

Yesterday, June 22nd the House Committee on Natural Resources, Subcommittee on National Parks, Forests and Public Lands held a hearing titled “Opportunities for Outdoor Recreation on Public Lands.” The focus of the hearing was on access to federal lands for recreational use and the economic benefits of recreational activity on federal lands.

OHV leaders from several ARRA partners testified about the economic benefit of motorized recreation, while others focused on specific access issues. Testimony was provided on H.R. 1581, which would release all Wilderness Study Areas and Inventoried Roadless Areas that have been deemed not suitable for wilderness designation for management for multiple-use, and on the closure of the Clear Creek Management Area in California.  A full witness list and the written testimony for each witness can be read here.  An archived webcast of the hearing can be viewed here.

ARRA would like to thank Chairman Rob Bishop (R-UT) and the Subcommittee for holding this important hearing, which showcased many of the positive benefits of OHV recreation on public lands, particularly the positive economic impact that motorized recreation can have on neighboring communities.  thingy Lepley, who testified on behalf of the Pennsylvania Off-Highway Vehicle Association, summed up one of the major themes of the hearing when he said, “If I could deliver just one message today it would be that OHV opportunities equal jobs. Where trail systems exist, the powersports industry and dealerships thrive, and local communities flourish.”

 


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« Reply #149 on: September 09, 2011, 01:51:56 PM »

IT'S ON NOW

Headwaters Enviro Assessment at link http://www.fws.gov/southeast/everglades ... raftEA.pdf

We have made an impression on these folks and need to continue doing so until the end of this process.

Pgs of interest to STUDY
305 no orv's
307 orv promise in future w/o guarantees
316 no orv's?
317 off trail orv's = no ?
322 hunting at HISTORIC ledves IF owner selling land to USFWS authorizes it. Same scam used in other places to get rid of hunting and blame it on seller. Seller shouldn't have any future control right.
324 fishing pretty conditional with bias towards electric motors.

Thses may be good places to start studying this plan.

I won't be able to start studying much more until next week so anyone finding important stuff Please distribute it to all here.

Gladesman

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